Sure, but again, we're talking about the totality of culture here. So above there was the example of the prison movies like Shawshank. It's an awesome movie! You will certainly not get an argument from me there! But when we look at it in the larger context, why are *all* serious prison movies about men? Why is the one example that we could come up with of a prison movie about women one where every crime that the women committed is about men, and involves a lot of stripping and sexualization of women's prison culture? That's part of the point of something like the Bechdel test. The original joke was that the only movie they could rent that *did* pass the test was Steel Magnolias, and the point wasn't "check out this awesome feminist movie," the point was, seriously? That's the only thing we can find with women talking to each other about something other than men?
There's also the fact that often, when people say that the gender/race etc of characters shouldn't matter, they then use that as an excuse to make all the characters white men, because it doesn't matter, right? So conversations like this are good because we're saying that a) white men shouldn't be the "default human" and b) if it truly didn't matter, I'd expect to start seeing a lot more diversity. But we're not seeing it yet (starting to yes, but Andee said above that we're not there yet), so we're going to keep pointing it out.
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Date: 2010-10-27 08:53 pm (UTC)From:There's also the fact that often, when people say that the gender/race etc of characters shouldn't matter, they then use that as an excuse to make all the characters white men, because it doesn't matter, right? So conversations like this are good because we're saying that a) white men shouldn't be the "default human" and b) if it truly didn't matter, I'd expect to start seeing a lot more diversity. But we're not seeing it yet (starting to yes, but Andee said above that we're not there yet), so we're going to keep pointing it out.