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Date: 2011-11-08 08:08 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] kuangning
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My father's one of 12 children; my mother has 5 siblings and had 5 children of her own. I get large families, and I don't think it's so much that people disagree with the Duggars having a large family as the way the family works. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with having 20 children. There is plenty wrong with only being the primary caregiver until you can wean them and then passing the baby off to one of its older siblings as a "buddy" so you're free to conceive again as quickly as possible. Almost as much as that, it's sad and wrong for children to have to make appointments if they want to spend time with their parent instead of their "buddy". Supporters of the Duggars go "but their children are so well-behaved!" and those of us who got stuck parenting siblings while we were children are going "that's because they don't have time or freedom to do anything else!" Who can think up mischief when they're eight years old and full-time caring for an infant or toddler?

And I give a serious side-eye to parading children on TV because you need the income and donations -- what's life going to be like if the viewing public ever comes to its senses and the show is cancelled? (Or, y'know, to paraphrase that, two years after Michelle finally hits menopause and the baby-a-year program comes to a screeching halt...) I'd feel better if they had 800 acres of land or something similar to cultivate together; historically, agriculture is what large families are for, and an estate that large means plenty to split between them.

Date: 2011-11-08 08:45 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] anagramofbrat.livejournal.com
I'm on the same page as you about most of these, and I will be the first to admit that Quiverfuls make me squick and hard. However the main criticism I hear about them amounts to how dare she use her vagina as a revolving door just by itself, and not even knowing all the troubling hyperreligious reasoning behind it. Which gets on my nerves, especially since the people tending to make these sorts of comments also tend to lump families of a size bigger than 2.3 kids in with them. I've had to shut down a CFHardcore (now ex) friend of mine for describing any family with more than 3 kids as "disgusting" to my face, so the subject tends to get my back up.

Date: 2011-11-08 08:55 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] telepresence.livejournal.com
Even minus the creepy Quiverful stuff, I just feel that 20 kids comes off as compulsive or otherwise pathological behavior. I'd be weirded out by someone who felt they needed 20 cats, or 20 plastic surgeries.

Date: 2011-11-08 09:19 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] anagramofbrat.livejournal.com
so would I. But not really my place to judge. Nor anyone else's.

Date: 2011-11-09 05:55 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] cell23.livejournal.com
Don't worry, I'll judge enough for both of us!

Date: 2011-11-09 05:56 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] anagramofbrat.livejournal.com
*sigh* yes dear. You have a better judgey-face anyway.

Date: 2011-11-08 09:22 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] kuangning
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i.Can't with childfree people, I must admit, so I may have missed much of the "revolving door" nastiness. 95% or more of the discussion I've seen has been "how do you possibly parent that many?" with the almost inevitable conclusion that they don't. Every child after Jinger, if not Jessa, has been parented by another child.

Date: 2011-11-08 08:37 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] telepresence.livejournal.com
I'm pro choice, but I wouldn't support a person (assuming they had any kind of choice) having 20 abortions. And while I'm an only child, I come from a big family. But there's a difference between having a big family and being on some kind of pathological crusade to have as many children as possible, even if the finances don't support it or you need to resort to really weird parenting strategies in order to continue to keep having kids as fast as possible. I think it's possible to coherently criticize extremes at both ends, and the Duggars are extreme.

Date: 2011-11-08 08:45 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] anagramofbrat.livejournal.com
see my reply to kuangning - I think it also applies here.

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